Saturday, August 21, 2010

My little strip of stomach is going to make you lose your mind.

I, literally, just walked in the door from running.  I am sitting in my desk chair in my soaking wet running shorts, dripping sweat onto the keyboard. 

I woke up later than I wanted to today to get out and run - I was hoping to get in a longer run, but because I got up late and Virginia was already cranking up the heat and humidity (seriously, Virginia, fuck you, man, you make it so hard to run), I settled on just doing 6.

Lots and lots of runners were out this morning on the Mt. Vernon trail, all glistening with sweat, and I was thrilled - it's fun to be out there with so many people, most looking like they are training for something, conjuring a nice communal-motivational-type feeling.  I am on my way back home when some dude passes me, and then slows down right in front of me.  So I pull up alongslide of him, and as I go to pass him, he starts talking to me, asking me how many miles I'm out for and what I'm training for.

I tell him the Baltimore half-marathon, and he says he's run it a couple times - the first 3 miles are a gentle uphill slope, the last two miles are downhill into the harbor, there's lots of hills in between, and be prepared for the bottleneck towards the finish.  This is totally helpful!  I am so glad I am pacing with this dude!  He's training for the marine corp. half-marathon and then a marathon after that.

So, right after he informs me of this, he says, "You know, I don't really get women running in sports bras.  I mean, I get it, I just don't think it's necessary."  I suppose we passed a woman running without a shirt and I hadn't even noticed.

Now, Readers, let me tell you something - I had been watching all those women running in just their sports bras today green with envy.  I WISH I was brave enough to run without a shirt, because it is so motherfucking hot out, and your shirt gets soaked and clings to you in annoying ways, and I would love to get over the absurd feeling that if I expose the world to the little strip of my belly between my shorts and my sports bra its fattiness and hideousness will cause other runners to become terribly nauseous and in fact have to veer wildly off the trail into the bushes to escape the heinousness of my flesh.  I am afraid to offend the universe by removing my shirt (none of this is an exaggeration, sadly).  But I so desperately wish I could (remove my shirt, not offend the universe.  I understand logically that removing my shirt will not lead to the gods taking offense).

But this is how the conversation goes, verbatim:

Me: What, I don't understand.  Women shouldn't run with their shirts off?
Him: No, it's just immodest.
Me: ARE YOU KIDDING ME?  It's hot out!
Him: Hey, a little modesty never hurt anyone.
Me: You must be fucking joking.  Women get stoned to death in some countries for not meeting someone else's idea of modesty.
Him:  . . .
Him (trying again): I just don't think it's necessary.
Me: So, my teeny strip of stomach, if exposed, will drive you so insane you will be unable to continue to run?
Him: I'm not saying I can't handle it, I just think it's too much.
Me: I'm sorry you have such a weak constitution and can't see with bodies without sexualizing them - must be hard to manage in the world.  My little strip of stomach and I are going to TAKE THIS OTHER PATH NOW.

And I ran off.

Seriously, people, SIGH.

25 comments:

  1. I love that you can stay on task enough to actually have that conversation without losing eloquence to rage.

    Because that's what I do, and it's hard to make a point when all you can think is "dickheaddickheaddickheaddickheaddieeee"

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  2. Ahahaha! Well, it's a lot easier when it's some random dude who decides to randomly whip out some really misogynistic shit that I never have to see again or care about or even be around for longer than the 3 minutes we ran together.

    My tongue-lashing may not have been so severe, of I would have been angered into silence, if this dude was someone who would reappear or have some influence or control in my life.

    But seriously, who just SAYS that kind of shit to a complete lady-stranger you met not 1 minute ago? A HUGE dickhead, man, for real.

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  3. One of my best friend's dad's used to come out with stuff like that all the time.

    Some people just seem to think they can come out and police you and it's ok because they're The Man and people usually agree with their dominance.

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  4. it always astonish me when people feel they have the right to police a woman's body. I don't know if I would have been able to keep my cool...

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  5. So I know I'm a 12-year-old for finding this funny, but the "prove you're not a robot" text for that last comment was brogyno. Ahahaha!

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  6. That's just... unbelievable. The best/worst part? He probably thought he was being all brave by pushing back against an "immodest" culture. I love how you compared the guy to the Taliban-- to his face :)

    BTW: reading your post, I thought of this article I saw last night about the best-fitting sports bra: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/18/phys-ed-the-right-kind-of-sports-bra/?ref=health

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  7. Ugh, what an ijit and good on you for telling him off!
    As a sidenote from someone who jogs sans-chemise, I find this sort of person to be the lesser of two evils as far as reactions to my stomach goes. This is because the other reaction I usually get is wolf-whistles and inquiries as to my price. ><
    It's rather frustrating how these two polar opposite opinions are both the most common and TOTALLY inappropriate. It would be nice if people could just get over their childish fixation with the human body. *Sigh*

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  8. Gayle Force, indeed. Whether he knows it or not, yet, you totally blew him away.

    *applauds*

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  9. Seriously, guys, I have gotten way more FIGHTY lately, I was a little surprised myself I just went ahead and mouthed off to this dude. I have no patience these days.

    Punning Pundit, thanks for the link, I'd seen that. It's . . . depressing, no one makes sports bras that are good for me :( The sadness of the big boobs. Someday I am going to write a blog post about my annoyance with my breasts. Seriously. I often describe them as "pets that I have ended up with that I never wanted in the first place." I appreciate that other people find them aesthetically lovely, but I find them a pain. Literally! In the back!

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  10. Is it not amusing that its always men telling women what to do? Hey, have you ever seen a disgusting fat guy with his belly fat rolling out when you are running? How many of us have approached that guy and told him that a "Little modesty never hurt anyone?" Girl - take off your shirt and get comfortable! Great Blog BTW!

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  11. Thank you, Beth! But we don't call anyone's body ugly or disgusting here! Fat is not gross! Fat is just fat! And bodies are lovely. We do Fat Acceptance, and I would refer you to here to start reading up: http://kateharding.net/faq/

    Go click the links, read Paul Campos's book and like ALL of Shapely Prose ever, and also http://www.therotund.com/?p=938, and when you are ready not to shame anyone's body, I am excited to have you back here!

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  12. It's okay for you to say this...

    "and I would love to get over the absurd feeling that if I expose the world to the little strip of my belly between my shorts and my sports bra its fattiness and hideousness will cause other runners to become terribly nauseous and in fact have to veer wildly off the trail into the bushes to escape the heinousness of my flesh. I am afraid to offend the universe by removing my shirt (none of this is an exaggeration, sadly). But I so desperately wish I could (remove my shirt, not offend the universe. I understand logically that removing my shirt will not lead to the gods taking offense)."

    ...refering to your fattiness and hideousness but you diss Beth for a general comment and suggest she needs to read up on fat acceptance. Sounds like you might need a refresher. I do believe that the adjectives you used above about yourself are in fact calling a person's body ugly and disgusting. Even if it is your own.

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  13. Alicia, are you fucking kidding me?

    I didn't diss her. I said we don't hate on types of bodies. What we DO DO, or at least I do, is WORK THROUGH MY BODY SHIT. If you read here regularly, you would know I have Body Dysmorphic Disorder. So it is one thing to discuss how that affects my thinking and how I deal with it, and another thing to associate fat with gross.

    I can't even believe you think these might be the same things, me talking through my toxic thoughts and someone actually referring to a fat person as "disgusting." You not seeing the difference is a problem, dude. I'm sure it's super fun to feel self-righteous on other people's comment threads, but we have other shit to attend to here.

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  14. Alicia, you have a reading comprehension problem. Did you miss the word "absurd" in the bit you quoted? Feeling uncomfortable with one's own body = dealing with the body bullshit from the patriarchy. Calling other people's bodies disgusting = endorsing the patriarchy's body bullshit.

    Get a clue.

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  15. I'm glad you're feeling more fighty, I think healthy doses of fight are good for the constitution. I used to just get angry, now I get angry and wordy.

    It's a much better combination. Even if you don't change a mind at the time, you know you stuck to your guns and your voice was at least heard.

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  16. I never thought about it that way. Truth is, I have a belly flop. I call myself skinny flabby. And I would never run exposing my midsection. I see other (younger runners) with their midsections exposed, and I am jealous. They have their flat abs, some even defined 4 and 6-packs. I work out regularly but have not been able to accomplish the ever elusive super toned midsection and I am not asking for 'ripped' abs, I just don't want to feel the 'flap' flapping in the wind when I run. On the flip side, I have seen older mature runners, one a female, who did not seem to have a care in the world, was wearing a sport top, that exposed her midsection, and running shorts. You could see her soft wrinkled up, going down southward midsection, her back slightly hunched perhaps due toher age, and she ran faster than me. I saw once a man, older gentleman as well, with what looked like a Speedo on, and a heart monitor strap accorst his chest and nothing else. He was also going faster than me. Well that was not attractive but it did not bother me. My husband on the other hand was, to say the least grossed out. So I think, after reading this post; 'F**k 'em! If it's hot run in your sports bra top and 'fuggedaboudit!'. I will worry more about my pace now. I want to get my distance in, and work on my speed, so the view is just the view, I pass by it, and keep on runnin' to reachmy goals. And to those who don't like it, they can wear blinders.

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  17. The wolf whistles Valkyriejae refers to, and the "modesty" your Running Stranger demanded? They're not really polar opposites. They're two sides of the same coin ... in a land where the currency depends on your body not existing for you, but for others. Ugh.

    Great post. I hope a lightbulb will go in in Running Stranger's head - if not now, then sometime in the future.

    Sungold (at Kittywampus)

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  18. It baffles me that people don't seem to comprehend that most joggers are jogging for fun or for their health, not to fulfill someone else's idea of what's modest or sexy or what-the-fuck ever.

    That's one of the sucky bits of being enlightened about this sort of stuff. Things that seem obvious to me just don't occur to others, and then when I run into those types I can't explain to them. Good for you telling him what's what!

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  19. my fav - i once had a 1/2 inch hole in my pants over a butt cheek. Get this right a one-half inch hole with a little half inch of pink showing - you would have thought i was buck-ass naked - OFFS!

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  20. This is the first time I've visited your blog, but I think I just may follow you forever. I never go out in a just a sports bra because I'm afraid that it will invite harassment, but every time I'm doing yoga in the park or out for a run and my shirt gets all sweaty and gross it really pisses me off. What a crappy trade off.

    Also I saw this up in your about me: I believe in full fat dairy products. Fuck low-fat yogurt.

    and squealed - full fat yogurt rocks my world.

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  21. Emily, seriously, full-fat yogurt is what makes me suspicious that maybe Belinda Carlisle was right and heaven IS a place on earth.

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  22. Wow, I've wanted to say something like that so many times and never had the guts - you rock!

    It's disturbing - I've heard so many supposedly progressive people harping on about "modesty" lately... When I point out that they're being oppressive they get really angry and start talking about 12 year olds dressing like stripers. Umm... no one wants little girls to be sexualized, but I don't think policing the exact amount of skin a woman is allowed to show is the answer....

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  23. Fantastic. I'm definitely crossposting this on my comebacks blog :)

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  24. at least he was being honest that he sexualized women. some guys won't admit and just lust in silence. some guys don't sexualize it all.

    I have guy friends who try hard to divert their eyes from micro mini skirts and the like, so I dress in ways that won't poke their temptation.

    "whatever, if a guy's thinking dirty, that's their problem" well it can't hurt to give em a break, especially if they're decent guys who don't wanna be tools.

    btw, even though I'm comfortable running in a sports bra, another option are those underarmour shirts. even better than shirtless! wicks sweat :)

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